Mom questions etiquette of bringing 3-week-old newborn to childfree wedding: 'Newborns (to my mind) are basically nonexistent'

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    Groom in blue suit standing next to bride in white dress holding bouquet, to the right is newborn baby swaddled in blanket
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    Liz Wolfe @LizWolfeReason Not to start A Discourse but I was invited to a child-free wedding on the West Coast in January. It will be 3 wks after I have my baby. Does "child-free wedding" also include very young newborns? Curious about thoughts. Newborns (to my mind) are basically nonexistent.
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    I feel like @InezFeltscher @webdevMason @nwilliams030 @IvanaDGreco etc would have etiquette thoughts here. Is the move to politely decline and state reason (or not)? Is it to just ask to please bring the newborn (but leave toddler)?
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    My assumption would be that weeksold newborns can pretty much *always* stay with the mother-and thus not really count as kids― but...maybe that's different than other people's assumptions.
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    By "basically nonexistent" I mean the costs to leaving them are extremely high (for breastfeeding moms esp!) and the benefits to excluding them are minimal. We're talking about the sleeping-round-the-clock/eyes- barely-open stage.
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    Having thought about this further I think child-free weddings are only permissible if they're not *also* destination weddings. Fine to arrange childcare in your own city; miserable to do it on another coast.
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    Now I have a complex: If they make an exception for my tiny baby does this mean I should try to basically hide him to the greatest degree possible? Like only nurse him in the bathroom or whatever
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    Newborns are like salamanders or seahorses. They're sort of real? But also seem sent by some other world, like they're not quite of this world. Very unsure how to feel about them.
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    Respectfully, though I understand people have lots of ~thoughts~ about germ exposure and newborns, I live in New York City and this is not my first child. We do not live in a bubble for the first few weeks or months, and there is no way realistically for us to do so (nor do we want to). I'd ask you to please not sound off about that thing (which I did not ask about) and instead sound off about the other thing (which I did ask about).
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    People seem mighty concerned about that facet of it -- but this is not my first child, and I am a realist who will make the call based on the specific circumstances (without the guidance of Twitter lol) -- but the main thing I was curious about is what people's intuitions were surrounding newborn inclusion in child-free weddings. Half the people say obviously they're not welcome, half say obviously they're an exception; the fact that people's etiquette intuitions differ widely is fascinating to
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    Like, my expectation is not that I will look hot or have the time of my life. But Twitter's expectation seems to be that I'll be actively bleeding out, which was not my recovery experience w my first (so unclear to me why they think they know better than I do!)
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    Kara Kennedy @karakclairmont Yeah I kind of think it depends on what flavor of newborn you have... some 3 week olds just sleep and wouldn't be noticed but my 3 week old screamed literally 12 hours a day. I think its fine if you have the first kind but rude if you have the second kind?
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    Liz Wolfe @LizWolfeReason Yeah, I agree w that. My first was pretty average difficulty-wise, at first, so that's what I'm building into my assumptions. My husband is in the wedding, and these people are very dear to us, so attending is a higher priority than it would otherwise be.
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    Kara Kennedy @karakclairmont I had the same situation just before I gave birth, I went! It was hard but I'm glad I did. Congrats also!!
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    Evan @evandthayer They aren't inviting kids NOT because they don't want to have kids at the wedding per se, but because they want you at the wedding focused on the party and not distracted by the very real duties of parenthood. They love your baby but want to party it up with you all night long.
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    Liz W... @LizWolfe... So, I think this logic makes sense for babies + children that aren't newborns. But the way newborns work is such that there's no way for me to abdicate the parenthood duties for any period of time longer than, say, two or three hours- because of constraints brought on by nursing, mostly; so it actually ends up being most convenient/inclusive/humane for me to just be allowed to bring newborn along. I would need to fully duck out of wedding, drive to wherever we are staying,
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    3ntr... @Punished... Why would you even consider going? Liz W... @LizWolfe... I love the couple, love the city (San Diego!), and my husband is in the wedding. We are happy to attend but I am just trying to understand what the thinking is surrounding newborns.
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    Grizzly Bizzly ... @... I think your kids are not invited. Which is fine bc people can have whatever wedding they want. Liz W... @LizWolfe... I am not disputing that my toddler is not invited. That is fine! I am interrogating the idea that mother and weeksold child can be seamlessly separated, and wondering if newborns were considered when policy was made.
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    russkiej... @russkiej... The only way I could think of that a baby that age could disrupt is crying, which is easy enough to mitigate. I agree with your general approach that you and 3-week old baby are effectively one entity and say if they don't want him, they can't have you.
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    Liz W... @LizWolfe... Nov 14 Children are allowed to come to the Mass, but not the reception -- SO the disruption thing doesn't really appear to be the problem? I am honestly slightly confused
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    agender autu... @divalectics if i specified "child free wedding" and someone showed up with their THREE WEEK OLD i would lose my mind
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    Tanner Richar... @CraftT... I would be upset if I specified child free but I've seen a bunch of (normally reasonable!) people online claim that newborns don't count because they're not really disruptive and you can wrangle them unlike with toddlers. It seems reasonable but idk doesn't childfree mean that???
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    Newborn baby swaddled in green blanket pokes one hand out while being held by parent
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    agender autu... @divale... i mean anyone that claims a 3-week old is "not disruptive" has not been around a 3 week old with gas Imfao
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    Michelle Th... @TheBad... 11h The concept of someone bringing a 3-week-old newborn to my child- free wedding. BOARD NAL BOARD VIEW ONAL II GIF
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    Kristin Chi... @Kristin Ch... I do feel for this person because I know how isolated mothers feel but in this situation: they are inviting you to be polite, they expect you to decline
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    mello @nicole___mello Replying to @wtflanksteak literally so insane for someone to see "child-free" and say "what about MY CHILD." child free means FREE OF CHILDREN.
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    Liz W... @LizWolfeRea... My husband is in the wedding party, so yeah, maybe they hate my guts but I think there's a level of closeness (and a logistical challenge presented, because he is the father!) that you might not be grasping. And children are invited to the ceremony, oddly, but not the reception.
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    Artie @artiecarden_ Replying to @KristinChirico Since when is a newborn nonexistent too? that baby will probably be screaming because weddings arent exactly chill and quiet

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